MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. JuliusTakalua. Mad Jim Jaspers. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). I mean, Beyonder is going to kill him ONCE and then Doomsday would instantly be at Beyonder's power level AND be immune to reality. ago. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). #28 ovy7. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. 1. #11. 5 years ago. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Regardless. Baby Beyonder. 4 years agoBeyonder (of Earth-616) is a cosmic cube with a god-like being who started and oversaw the Secret Wars. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. normal Round 2. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. ago. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. deactivated-63c1a72900876. He was initially depicted. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. #8 Edited By Sungsam. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. Forums. 0. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. GhostRavage. Business, Economics, and Finance. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. Forum Posts. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Mee09. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). He went so far as to take on the Oans in the Green Lantern corps. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Queen Of Never 25. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Powers are basically the same thing. #1. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Orphic Zeus. ) 4 years ago. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. show 3 replies . I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. Round 1: Pre Retcon. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. May 26, 2023. The higher levels are kinda featless in Doctor Who. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. FollowHe wielded the Dunamis Demiurgos which is the literal power of God. A Time Lords) from the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Jan 29, 2017. So I might be missing something. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. Super Power Score and Level. Mr. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. He. 66. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. 9 years ago. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. Powers and Stats. He has both well feats and statements. Jim Shooter who was the. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. Beyonder snorts him. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Even The. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Phoenix Taaia 26. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. 1,102. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. 0. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity due to their respective powers. :Wiki. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). The result is pretty obvious. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. 10 years ago. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. The. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. The Beyonder stomps. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Now in terms of power levels, oh yeah, he ridiculously outscales any of themAnd the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. Share to. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. 11. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. 43. 1. I also added scans and references. . The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Beyonder Doom 14. g. Follow 21460. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. 0. Sep 20, 2018. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Forum Posts. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. ago. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. trolls can call other people trolls. Super Power Score and Level. How you interpret that is irrelevant. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Numidium 2. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Pre-retcon Beyonder. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. the_doctor. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. #3 JohanLiebert123. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. on. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Thanos wins. Followers. 0. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Super Power Score and Level. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. 5. Man, This a huge mismatch. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. 3. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Powers and Stats. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. Yeah. . it would be mostly stalemate. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Apr 18, 2021. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 8. • 1 year ago. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. I will need to have cited evidence for. Yeah true. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. R. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. jwwprod. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. VS. ". Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. 4 years ago. 3. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. 0. 3. 0. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. Team 1 wins. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. ProfessorRespect. No prep and no knowledge. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. Originally posted by galan7777777. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. 2. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. Follow 4533. 8 C. Preretcon Beyonder wins. 0. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. He took many heroes, including. 4. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. ago. Otherwise there is. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Mxyzptlk. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. . She/Her. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. . -Everything in bleach. who’s full power. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Akasha only has 6d universes on itself, that's not omnipotence. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 2. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. That's all there is to it. eternityx. . He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Multi-Death 28. Business, Economics, and Finance. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Jul 30, 2018. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. pre-retcon Beyonder. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. Who will win?Pre Beyonder Or CC Goku, Xeno Goku, Rimuru, Gilgamesh And SinbadTop 10 strongest universal characters rankingPre-Retcon [Non-Canon] Franklin Richards;. Super Power Score and Level. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. VS. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Fight till death. 9 years ago. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Both sides are in character but determined to win. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. Molecule Man. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from.